linux users are all crazy fundamentalists

I’ve spent the last two days googling the different linux distributions (or distros, as the too-cool-for-school developers themselves refer to them. distro. rhymes with disco.) to figure out which of the options offered by my VPS hosting company (slicehost.com) I should go with. I’ve been trolling through linux users forums, hanging out in IRC chat rooms, and just generally starting flamewars everywhere I go.

Hint: want to start a flamewar in a linux chatroom? Just casually pop in and ask people which distro you should use. People will light up the channel with everything from the helpful,
Ubu4lif: There are a lot of beginner tutorials for Ununtu, you might want to start with that
… to the passionate,
DebCoreDev: Ubuntu is destroying linux! 4 out of 5 Ubuntu users are baby rapists! Do you love baby rape? DON'T USE UBUNTU!!1
… to the downright insane,
Blwinkl48: I compiled my own linux distro called ScurvyLinux. ScurvyLinux is the only distro that correctly handles packet addressing with Cyrillic text modifiers. You are completely vulnerable to attack from former Soviet hackers unless you use ScurvyLinux!
On the whole, not particularly helpful. Any conversation about linux distributions starts to very quickly sound like a fundamentalist tent revival. It’s all black-and-white, and any new user is a potential convert. The louder you shout, the more right you must be.

I started out on a simple quest: I need a basic LAMP server, capable of running multiple domain names on a single IP address, with some ftp access. That’s about as vanilla a setup as you can possibly get. Based on this simple setup, I sought some advice from the natives on which linux distro would be the best choice for me. I’ve summed up their advice here in this here handy list:

Debian

Pros: Debian places a high value on stability. If Debian tells you a package is going to work on their distro, it’s going to f’ing work. Like a Clydesdale. It has probably the largest user base, which just means that when you have a question, there are 50 arrogant pricks to mock you for being an idiot instead of 6. There are no tutorials for Debian. Debian users are too busy working for a living to write tutorials.

Cons: Debian refuses to support the GVideo Awesomo Force GX45800 Accelerator Card! Don’t they know that all L337 GaMerZ use the GX45800? Debian is so dumb for not supporting that card (repeat 50x, insert favorite obscure piece of hardware). Debian is the linux equivalent of your grandpa, sitting on his porch rocker muttering, “I just don’t think this new-fangled Frequency Modulation radio is going to be around for long. I’ll stick with AM. It’s a stable, mature technology …”

Ubuntu

Pros: Oooooooh, pretty! Ubuntu is Debian, with support for the GVideo Awesomo Force GX45800 Accelerator Card, and every other thing people complain about Debian lacking. It also includes support for new utilities and program upgrades sooner than Debian does, but sometimes that means they jack up the implementation. There are roughly 19 billion tutorials for how to do anything you would ever want to do with Ubuntu. Unfortunately, they are all written by a 12 year old who knows even less than you.

Cons: Every other distro talks about Ubuntu in the same condescending tone of voice that the Romans used when talking about those silly Vandals, right before the Vandals sacked and burned Rome to the ground. Admitting that you use Ubunutu is the linux equivalent of putting a spoiler on your Hyundai – the only people who think you’re cool are other people with spoilers on their Hyundais. Also, Debian developers keep bitching about Ubuntu developers … something … taking from the open-source community … never giving back … I dunno, I dozed off after a while.

Gentoo

Pros: Apparently, with Gentoo Linux, you have to build the whole operating system yourself. Yes, this is the big upside that every Gentoo user keeps touting. Oh, hooray, I not only have to build the website myself, now I have to handcode the damn OS too. Hang on, let me get my soldering kit and some steel framing and I’ll wire up my own power supply while I’m at it.

Cons: uhhhhh … you have to build the whole thing yourself?

CentOS

Pros: CentOS is NOT affiliated with any big name corporation. Not in anyway! Not us! It says so right on our website! If you’d like to try it out for yourself, you can downloaded our totally unaffiliated distribution at ftp://ftp.redhat.com. Not that there’s anything wrong with that …

Cons: Lying bitches. Also, according to one very helpful Gentoo evangelist, people who use CentOS are more likely to have unprotected sex. I am so completely not making this up. There are some batshit crazy ass people out there in linux land.

Fedora

Pros: see CentOS.

Cons: You remember that asshole who lived down the hall in your dorm, the one with the Che Guevara t-shirt who kept talking about freedom and the rights of the people, except for the right of the people to not have to listen to him playing Bob Marley’s Legends CD all night long? Fedora is kind of like that. It’s all about freedom. Freedom from copyright. Freedom from intellectual property restrictions. It’s all about freedom, until it comes to your own freedom to install whatever the hell you want on your own computer. Then, not so much with the freedom.

concluding thoughts

It’s an operating system, not a religious movement. I’m not looking to become a convert, I’m not going to give my 10%, sing your songs, fly your banner from my rooftop. I just want to setup my blog.

I was amazed at how hard it was to actually get decent, reliable, non-biased information about the differences between linux distros. Why can’t someone just say, “Debian is designed around this idea, Ubuntu around this idea, Fedora does this really well, but Gentoo is better at this.” After swimming through the muck for a few days, I’m left with this thought:

The Linux community needs fewer fundamentalists. I can’t hear you talk above the noise of your shouting.

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88 thoughts on “linux users are all crazy fundamentalists

  1. I’ve been using Ubuntu for about two months now. So far, I like it. But I mainly only use it because I’m programming. Ubuntu and probably every other Linux has massive support for programmers.
    I tried to get Gentoo to install, but their manual is written for people who already know Linux fairly well. I may try again in another year, once I’ve gotten a lot more familiar with stuff.

  2. One of the greatest struggles involved with being a creative songwriter/musician/producer is the time and effort that it takes in understanding the technologies that enable us to create. It’s quite simple to sit down at a piano or pick up a guitar and have a song cranked out in an hour or so but, to sit down at your favorite DAW is going to take you a hell of a lot longer. especially, if you don’t know the difference between how your DAW works from how your car functions. I’m speaking of this in musical terms because that’s how I can relate to developers or programmers.

    Right in the middle of creative flow, while laying down an awesome keyboard part I get some ridiculous and intrusive message with code – like numbers and letters which mean absolutely nothing to me other than, my performance is ruined, I have to stop, read a manual, and become frustrated as hell as to why this damn thing just can’t work so I can make a record and get on with it.

    Apple came a long way in simplifying the user interface of computers for those of us who didn’t know what a DOS file was. It became so obvious that we all want a simpler method to input data, that Microsoft followed suit and came up with their answer to the Mac by releasing Windows. People want to have a visual concept of what something does and they do not want to read a manual 900 pages long to figure out how to record a piano. this is called intuitive design. if only life were actually this simple.

    Again, Apple came to the rescue and designed GarageBand: a recording system that, just by taking a close look at, pressing a few buttons and, exploring the menu options, is almost a no brainer to operate. While it may not be the ultimate piece of software for industry pro’s, THEY ARE GETTING THE IDEA. Logic Pro was then re-released and cleaned up considerably so that we knew instinctively how to operate it. This is certainly becoming an industry standard now very quickly, I might add. Although Apple’s market share is decisively less than it’s competitor, the adaptation that Microsoft made has worked out undeniably in their favor. People want SIMPLE.

    Enter Linux and Ubuntu, taking personal computing back to the dark ages. Whist open source is a great idea and in many ways seems so altruistic in its endeavors, it’s still quite obviously geek speak and, geeks do not, IMHO, know how to communicate to anyone other than themselves. This makes support a major inconvenience. When I have a problem with something and humble myself to seek the knowledge of a real pro, the last thing I want to be told is “click, click, google” or “search the database and you will find 700 articles on your problem”. WTF has time to read through 700 articles in order to find what I’m looking for written by geeks in a coded language? I mean really guys. You’ve got to get more and socialize just to see how messed up your communication skills really are.

    Face it boys and girls, it’s an enduser world out there and the majority of endusers don’t know kaka about php, html, or mysql is. We think Flask files are the racks that chicks flash us on the 101 freeway on Flash Friday’s and that Linux, is that dirty little boy that everyone laughs at on Charlie Brown. The day that geek speak is written in English and can be deciphered by my Dad is the day that the Internet and computers will really see it’s full potential.

    Thanks for letting me air it out. My 2 cents.

  3. I’m a bit surprised you didn’t try OpenSUSE, which someone should have recommended for putting together a server. Aside from that, you pretty much covered the biggies in a very general way. Ubuntu *is* pretty (and Sabayon’s even prettier), incredibly quick to install, but it’s designed to be a desktop O/S for grandma, not the LAMP server you’re looking to build (there is a server edition, but I don’t know any systems administrators using it in a production environment). While, yes, any Linux distro will do what you want if you beat on it hard enough, there are flavors more oriented towards this kind of use. Folks maintaining servers are probably running RedHat or SUSE, typically headless (i.e., no monitor, no desktop). Personally, I’m running SUSE for my LAMP+ web servers. I find it very easy to install and manage (using the Yast “control panel”). It comes with Apache, MySQL, PHP, plus PostgreSQL, Ruby, Tomcat, and a wide variety of other development tools, languages, and other software packages I or my users want for developing web sites. I recommend talking to actual Linux systems administrators, web admins, and other folks who make a living doing what you want to do… that will help you focus on the right three or four flavors out of that frighteningly comprehensive list on Wikipedia (start by throwing out any distro that doesn’t have “server” in the “Purpose” column), and find the one you find easiest and most useful. I recommending recommend the biggies, SUSE and RedHat, but given that Ubuntu desktop is so quick and easy to install, you might try Ubuntu Server Edition, offers automatic LAMP setup. Both SUSE and RedHat have large user bases of professional server administrators, and you’ll find plentiful documentation, support forums, and related information online.

    btw, very cute article — us Linux Evangelists should try to take an objective look at ourselves more often. Personally, I’ve “disconnected” from many online and in-person discussions of flavors that quickly turned into raging battles… it’s more tiresome than the Mac vs. Windows debate.

  4. I think that Nick is wholly correct in his “zealotry” and his irritation. There is an ideological difference in the world between the people who want things done for them, and the people who want help in doing things for themselves. If it were not an idealogical difference that a great many people take very seriously, they wouldn’t have had the conviction to spend the last several years developing billions of dollars worth of free software to leave laying around on the web.

    Microsoft has a vested interest in your remaining stupid — they want to be the default option, which means they don’t want you to make choices. Of course you pay for that — both with the upgrades, and with the licensing fees of all of the proprietary software you would have to purchase to run a decent Windows system (assuming there weren’t people out there making things available for you either through free software or piracy.)

    If you don’t appreciate his zealotry, it’s either because you haven’t thought about the fact that you would have less of everything (and by a significant margin) — music, media, web-content — where would you be if you had to pay an access fee for every video on you-tube? That is the Microsoft model, or the Metallica model. Every one of those You-Tube videos is intellectual property — you want to watch, you have to pay. You want a membership at Myspace or Facebook? You have to pay.

    Or maybe you are just so wealthy that you don’t care, and living in a world where only the wealthy who can afford the thousands of dollars for director, and photoshop, and office and acrobat get to participate in the discussion is OK with you. Either way, your position is implicitly idealogical, and implicitly disenfranchises others.

    So before you get all shitty about why Open Source people don’t suck your dick when you call, like proprietary help desk people after you purchase the gold level service agreement, stop and ask yourself “What have I given back to deserve the attention of this community at all?” Because at that point, before the conversation has even started, they have already given you a tremendous amount out of simple respect for your humanity.

  5. What a bunch of whacko pansies. Everything he said has merit. Linux users complain about Windows. Crappy this, crappy that. If you want to take over the world, you make it as easy as possible for the masses to follow you. So it would make sense to have a distro be as easy as friggin possible to install and use “straight out of the box”. That being said, I don’t like computers. ;-)

  6. ‘Oh, hooray, I not only have to build the website myself, now I have to handcode the damn OS too.’

    In what way do you handcode your OS by installing gentoo?
    Makes me wonder if you really spent more than 5 minutes looking at each distribution?

    modifying configuration files and specifying which packages you want on your system is hardly “handcoding” an OS.

    ‘Why can’t someone just say, “Debian is designed around this idea, Ubuntu around this idea, Fedora does this really well, but Gentoo is better at this.”’

    Each of these distros’ websites briefly explain the underlying concepts and ideas for that distribution.

    NOBODY is going to agree that one specific distribution does a general task (such as hosting your website) better than any other.

  7. I have to agree with the sentiment that Linux users can get a bit over the top with their choice of operating system. In the end it’s about the package manager and file system layout. If you’re hosting with it, the pretty stuff doesn’t matter too often. I’ll put my vote in for Ubuntu.

  8. I’ve always found this debate quite funny. Having been using UNIX style operating systems since there was still AT&T Unix, I can tell you with 100% certainty: All linux “distros” are different wrapping on the same box. The linux kernel is what defines a linux machine at core. Everything else is just packaging. Differences being what one group of wahoos decide is a good idea VS what another group of wahoos think. People for some reason want to look at Debian as a different OS from Gentoo, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS (And while I’m on the subject of CentOS, the writer of this article needs a little less cranial anal submursion if he cant understand that all they do is compile the required publicly available source code for RedHat’s RHEL into their own package, rebrand it CentOS and that they are NOT infact affiliated with RH) Mandriva, DSL, etc. It isnt. Its the same shit. It boils down to which one you want to start off with. If you’re an end user with the typical understanding of computers as the general populous here in the US, dont use linux; you probably wont get it. (This is because linux is designed solely by what are playfully called “geeks”. They have no interest nor motivation to provide a product that non-technical people can understand and use reasonably. Microsoft and Apple have marketing teams and what not who will demand their product appeal to these people since they make up the majority of the population, thus a larger revenue source to tap.)
    In conclusion, I would agree that the linux community is turning rapidly into the same variety of people who use Mac’s – Blinded by their own bullshit – and devout to it as if it were made by god himself.
    If you want a LAMP server, put that in google and pick the first link. If that sucks, try the second. Keep on doing this until you get one that doesnt. Linux distros are a dime a dozen, and most will work for the given funciton outlined.

  9. Whenever I start feeling like I’m beginning to lose it, I steer towards these forums, whereupon, in short order after scanning these rants, I feel miraculously cured.

  10. If you knew of something you thought was pretty cool or even really cool and someone was giving it away. You’d get a little passionate about it yourself.

    Anyway my suggestions on distros.

    Centos – good server base easy install. If you want a lamp it’s an easy way to go. Stable as hell. Yeah they are associated with redhat in that they are giving away what redhat sells.

    Fedora – pretty much the same as cent. It’s just not RHEL (redhat enterprise linux). Good stable base for any LAMP server.

    Gentoo – this one I haven’t tried myself. I can’t give much input.

    Ubuntu – Debian made a little prettier a little easier and well documented. When reading through the endless documentation pay attention to version. Something documented for gutsy may not work on other releases. Not a bad OS for a windows convert. I use it on a couple laptops my kids use.

    Debian – stable with a large core base of users. Like you said the developers all have to have real jobs and find it hard to always document projects. I think the ubuntu bitterness stems from not coming up with the idea themselves because they wanted to stay completely true to opensource. Debian could have built the same business model while maintaining their credibility in the opensource community if they really tried.

    There are literally hundreds of releases available. You may even find a distro specifically compiled to preform the functions you are looking. Some with live CDs to test before actually installing. Have a spare computer with lots of hard drive space try freenas or openfiler. Have a computer you want to hook to a TV try freevo or mythdora or mythbuntu.

  11. Please, whatever you decide, stop writing these stupid articles.

    And for the love of God people please stop submitting this dumb shit to SumbleUpon.

  12. Sorry to say this but¿ you are right. I am Linux user myself. And had this kind of coemmnts whne I was starting.

    The chatroom are not generally a good way of find help more are just teen flammers or angry people

    You should vivist some forums very distro has their own forum generally.

    The distro you choose depende of your needs and taste . If you rae starting. there is some lerning curve

    Some distros like Suse , Mandriva, Ubuntu, PC los are good distros to start since are more user firnedly

    Once that learn a bit more you can try Gentoo, Fedora, slackware, Debian : this dttros are more manual so for beginner a I dont knwo r you xperice are a bit difficult whne it staring once you leran you will find them more easy.

    And dont let this trolls confuse you. Choose the distro you are really like. And leave this thing stop you. trolls are evry every where even on windows communities

  13. Please don’t clutter the Internet with false information, it will block the tubes (lol)

    GNU/Linux is the best. Followed closely by other free software distros such as the BSDs and OpenSolaris, etc

  14. This whole article is a troll. Props for successfully trolling every single linux distribution, ever.

    Bonus points for turning half the pros into cons, thereby not having to think analytically about the different distributions and their appropriate uses.

    For example, the *BSDs tend to make good servers. Ubuntu is best for desktops, great for laptops. Debian makes small-time administration easy and painless. Redhat makes good enterprise server software. Gentoo allows for a level of understanding of Linux and its intricacies that most casual users will never reach.

    By the way, there’s hundreds of distributions out there, each created for different uses. You don’t install Damn Small Linux on enterprise hardware. You don’t try to run Mandrake on an embedded device.

    You humorously critiqued 6, while insulting your own reader base.

    Oh, and yes, I fail for responding to the troll. But, as always, ignorance should be rewarded with knowledge.

    Oh, and FTW. A debian minimal server install can become a LAMP server with one command:

    sudo apt-get install mysql-server apache2 php5

    And a minimal amount of configuration, for which there are many straight forward and easy to understand tutorials. Maybe even easy enough for you.

  15. Wait, why did I even bother to respond to this thread? This website is DEAD! No new posts or blogs in almost a year.

    I guess someone’s wisdom didn’t equal success.

  16. Ubuntu has experienced users, you just need to know how to find them. Also you forgot SuSE, if you wanted a to get a server asap then you should have gone with Ubuntu, if you wanted a fast server then Gentoo. I honestly don’t like red hat, so that has no place in my imagination.

  17. I really hope this entire thing was a joke.

    CentOS is the server version of Fedora. Fedora is the RHEL distro that they “throw crap to the wall and see what sticks”.

    Gentoo is a completely customized system that can teach you A LOT about linux and give you approximately 15% performance increase if you know what you’re doing.

    Ubuntu is designed for new and experienced users. You don’t usually build things yourself, but you can pick and choose exactly what you want, or leave the standard system there to “just work”.

    Debain… pricks. They like to rip off other peoples work and call it their own then bitch like little babies when someone does the same to them. Iceweasle is Firefox with a name and theme change. Ubuntu does this same approach (extra functionality) using an ubufox plugin.

    If you’re addicted to RHEL, use CentOS, don’t look at Fedora. If you’re debating between Ubuntu and Debian and want any support without being ridiculed take Ubuntu. If you want something designed to your exact system and faster than nearly any other system, then use Gentoo.

  18. Yesterday I installed PCLinuxOS 2009 on the laptop. This distro works best and beats all others that I tried before. It really replace Windows without need of special knolledge. Thanks to the guys who develop PCLinuxOS – best linux for normal users (not network server linus geeks) in my opinion. I’m becoming a big fan because they release stable new versions without bugs.

  19. I have a dual boot system; XP on one hard drive and Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.1 on the other. Ultimate Edition is great! I intentionally chose an Ubuntu derivative because there is so much info out there on Ubuntu, and being a Linux noob, I wanted all the help I could get.

    To those Elitist Linux folks who mock those of us who use Ubuntu and other ‘newbee’ distro’s, I say “Don’t be such an Ass!”. Us Linux noobs are NOT jealous of you and your Jedi like Linux skills, so stop wasting your time trying to make us feel stupid when we ask for help.
    95% of people who use a computer don’t know or care how code is written, or even how to use a command line for that matter. Linux is prospering more than ever because of ,not in spite of, all the noobs like me who are willing to take the plunge into unknown waters and give it a try, even if we have to be mocked by the self proclaimed Linux guru’s to do it.

  20. Been a debian user for the past year and a half. Doing a conversion from linux over to freebsd. Have never used windows. (Used macs, and I still prefer them, it’s just that I happened to come across these laptops for free, and I improved them by installing linux and freebsd).

    Pretty much you hit it right on the mark. Debian people happen to be more “pure” (using only FOSS), ubuntu people go for what looks “cool” (hence why a lot of converts from windows go to ubuntu) ubuntu also does a bunch of things for the user. I don’t have much experience/knowledge of other distros, just enough to tell new people to use ubuntu, then go to other distros if they don’t like ubuntu.

  21. I tried reading the comments but there was a lot of the exact thing you mentioned in the summary of your entire article going on.

    I’ve used all but CentOS because from every Linux podcast, article I read it’s Red Hat which says enough for me. Here is what I’ve experienced in my use of Linux (as my only OS, not dual boot) for 3 years now only a week from my Linux+ Certification

    Ubuntu is my choice of desktop/laptop OS because quite frankly it is easy. I don’t use my personal PC to partake in additional work. I do that enough in the office. I want to go home and browse the web, email and play video games. As a fan of the debian package system this makes Ubuntu ideal. However Ubuntu has many back end tweaks and changes to the file system structure and configurations that make it just different enough to be very irritating if you are not familiar with the back end. This does not make it ideal when trying to set up servers or services based on some other documentation.

    This is where Fedora/Red Hat really seem to step back into the spotlight. They’ve been around for years and as far as industry standards go they are undeniably familiar. The packaging system is only becoming more user friendly in the more recent years and trying to get the kernel header files to install random drivers or compile applications can be annoying but with time the result is a very operational OS.

    Another common standard that you didn’t mention is SUSE – In a nutshell it’s very similar to Red Hat/Fedora with again some slight (but commonly expected) differences in file system structure and configuration

    Gentoo…I entirely agree. I’ve done it three times just to say I did it. Ultimately though it was tiresome and took large chunks of time out of my day that I would have (on any other distribution) spent _using_ my computer. Good for anyone who sets it up and enjoys it but in my opinion it’s far from necessary to find satisfaction with your computer.

    Ultimately though, I’m fairly certain there is a distribution that is released as a LAMP server. Out of the box. Perhaps it would be wise to investigate that.

  22. Also worthy note is the date of the post. It looks like you’ve been stumbled. Sorry about the mass comments for a 2 year old blog entry.

  23. Evil1dwk wrote:
    “Debian – stable with a large core base of users. Like you said the developers all have to have real jobs and find it hard to always document projects.”

    Proper programming is about
    1 investigating the user experience
    2 enabling the user experience
    3 translating the resulting tasks to use cases and task support programming.
    4 writing test-descriptions and tests
    5 programming to pass the test.

    Before you actually start to write the code (at step 5), you should have your documentation ready already (at step 4).

    Programming without documentation is just a sign of bad (or backward) programming: it limits testing, code effectiveness, input, reusability and understanding.
    Many of these points are similiar to the points made against closed source software.

  24. I wouldn’t think this was such a moronic post if the title wasn’t an extremely obvious logical fallacy. It’s called a hasty generalization. You could not have possibly talked to every Linux user in the world, which is the only way you could have (logically) said “linux users are all crazy fundamentalists.”
    I use Linux, I realize it has ups and downs like any system. It’s awesome yet it has some rather annoying things to it as well. Does that make ME a fundamentalist? Just a thought.
    –It is pretty irritating when some retard replies to a simple question and sounds like a 7 year old because he talks like an idiot.

  25. RIGHT on the Money !!

    There is a large amount of MAJOR HATING — FREETARDED — LUNATICS WITH HITLER COMPLEXES in the Linux community.

    I pretty much had exactly the same experience as you.

    Linux works on toasters & Linux CD’s make great coasters.

  26. Dear command line iditot,

    Wow, this is a successful blog post, the one that grab the attention of real people and hopefully less of spammers. I like the way you wrote it even though I do not agree with some of your points of view. I do also wonder; what did you actually choose at the end to run your blog operation?

    Unfortunately choosing “distros’ is sometimes not of an option and fortunately all Linux distributions are pretty much made of the same so most likely what works in one should work in another for the most part, nothing that anybody could not search on Google and basically copy/paste their way through.

    “Polemic”; is the word that describe the essence of attracting readers. It is somewhat true in the case of this blog and you very well know how to do it.

    An “Objective” blog post would be less likely to be attractive except for those looking for an specific answer. And YES i am still trying to understand the objective part of your posting.

    Answer to your basic statement. You will find “fundamentalist” in every field wherever you start a dispute based on opinions and experiences where everyone has their own depending on their level of expertise and commitment to the subject matter.

    It is amazing that I got to read this post jumping from a couple of others a bit more serious discussions and just happened that some people are leveraging their opinions to respond to other subjects based on this blog. When it is clearly that the author (referenced) is not a computer scientists professional and while is legitimately exercising its right to express himself by blogging He is also self described as “Not a professional geek who is trying to figure out Linux”. Which by any means makes him an authority on the related topic.

    Linux is not for everyone just like Windows or any other computer desktop operating system might not be. And I am including those fundamentalist and the ones that are doing it for fun too.

    Whenever you have a chance give it a try to a real UNIX OS such as openSolaris just for fun; that is another can of worms that you may like to open for another blog. Needless to suggest trying to compare it with OS/X (freeBSD based).

    http://www.opensolaris.com/

    Have fun!

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